I believe him, I guess. The videos he posts on Youtube of his athletes are pretty good. But doing the math, you would have to train all day to make 50 attempts at a weight. It's actually pretty close to what I do though. I basically just do doubles and try to beat my previous workout. Seems to be working pretty well. I keep the numbers MUCH lower than he does though (basically Prilepin's table). I also don't max every day. I think if you've got the time and the balls it's worth a try. I'm going to start training more frequently (some light work on Saturdays), but I'm not going to start maxing every day...
What do you think, Dave? One thing I do like is the emphasis on just focusing on what your competition lifts are and going balls out on them. I'm not a big believer in anything but the most focused assistance exercises and main lifts.
It does seem pretty reasonable. I wonder about the carry over to powerlifting though. The difference in explosiveness between Oly and the powerlifts can be pretty significant at times.
His suggestions for powerlifting do seem reasonable too though. I can't see anyone being able to max deadlift every day endlessly. The max squat seems feasible.
The program requires an insane amount of rest and recovery though. I can't see any of the team having that time to dedicate just to powerlifting.
I am a moderate believer in assistance work provided that it closely resembles the original lift, or it picks up from a weak point. Once fatigue sets in on the main lift (which is always done first), the assistance work is done to add volume for parts that aren't totally fatigued. I do like the idea of spending the majority of your time on the main lift (which is what we try to do).
I personally think the type and quantity of assistance work is highly individual. I know that for me personally, squatting is the best thing for increasing my squat, and my deadlift as well. Since my weakness in the deadlift is leg strength, I can almost completely ignore it and it will stay the same or even increase.
Benching is a completely different matter though. When I just bench and bench, some muscle groups (such as triceps and shoulders) tend to not grow or even atrophy. I feel that I personally need a much wider variety of upper body exercises to make my bench go up.
That being said, I have actually seen very good progress in my bench while not actually benching that often. Both winter quarters my raw bench has shot up, and I was not flat benching often during either of them.
Gear also plays a part. I didn't look that deeply into the powerlifting stuff they posted, but there must be considerations for using gear as well. If you can barely touch in your shirt with your max there's no way you're going to be able to do backoff sets with 20kg less...
Off the top of my head, three options include:
1) use gear on some days and wear a loose the shirt when necessary
2) Train RRRAAAAWWWWW and only use the gear in competition
3) Max in your gear, take it off to do backoff sets every (or most) sessions
I like this article: http://www.dragondoor.com/articler/mode3/353/
Finally, another reason I think Broz is right and that it's totally possible to train like that is that you have to remember that his athletes work with a daily max. If their max for the day is 50kg below their best, that's what they work with. It's hard to overtrain when you're doing doubles with 60% when you feel like shit, even if you're doubling 95% on other days (when you're feeling good)
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Jake, what are your thoughts about this?
I believe him, I guess. The videos he posts on Youtube of his athletes are pretty good. But doing the math, you would have to train all day to make 50 attempts at a weight. It's actually pretty close to what I do though. I basically just do doubles and try to beat my previous workout. Seems to be working pretty well. I keep the numbers MUCH lower than he does though (basically Prilepin's table). I also don't max every day. I think if you've got the time and the balls it's worth a try. I'm going to start training more frequently (some light work on Saturdays), but I'm not going to start maxing every day...
What do you think, Dave? One thing I do like is the emphasis on just focusing on what your competition lifts are and going balls out on them. I'm not a big believer in anything but the most focused assistance exercises and main lifts.
It does seem pretty reasonable. I wonder about the carry over to powerlifting though. The difference in explosiveness between Oly and the powerlifts can be pretty significant at times.
His suggestions for powerlifting do seem reasonable too though. I can't see anyone being able to max deadlift every day endlessly. The max squat seems feasible.
The program requires an insane amount of rest and recovery though. I can't see any of the team having that time to dedicate just to powerlifting.
I am a moderate believer in assistance work provided that it closely resembles the original lift, or it picks up from a weak point. Once fatigue sets in on the main lift (which is always done first), the assistance work is done to add volume for parts that aren't totally fatigued. I do like the idea of spending the majority of your time on the main lift (which is what we try to do).
I personally think the type and quantity of assistance work is highly individual. I know that for me personally, squatting is the best thing for increasing my squat, and my deadlift as well. Since my weakness in the deadlift is leg strength, I can almost completely ignore it and it will stay the same or even increase.
Benching is a completely different matter though. When I just bench and bench, some muscle groups (such as triceps and shoulders) tend to not grow or even atrophy. I feel that I personally need a much wider variety of upper body exercises to make my bench go up.
That being said, I have actually seen very good progress in my bench while not actually benching that often. Both winter quarters my raw bench has shot up, and I was not flat benching often during either of them.
Gear also plays a part. I didn't look that deeply into the powerlifting stuff they posted, but there must be considerations for using gear as well. If you can barely touch in your shirt with your max there's no way you're going to be able to do backoff sets with 20kg less...
Off the top of my head, three options include:
1) use gear on some days and wear a loose the shirt when necessary
2) Train RRRAAAAWWWWW and only use the gear in competition
3) Max in your gear, take it off to do backoff sets every (or most) sessions
I like this article:
http://www.dragondoor.com/articler/mode3/353/
Finally, another reason I think Broz is right and that it's totally possible to train like that is that you have to remember that his athletes work with a daily max. If their max for the day is 50kg below their best, that's what they work with. It's hard to overtrain when you're doing doubles with 60% when you feel like shit, even if you're doubling 95% on other days (when you're feeling good)
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